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| From Foundation To Renovation
Guest: Dr. David P. Gushee | Ethicist, Pastor, Advocate, & Author of Changing Our Mind
What happens when the beliefs that once held everything together can no longer carry the weight of real life?
In this foundational conversation, Jeff Click sits down with Christian ethicist David P. Gushee, whose early work helped shape modern evangelical ethics before a career-defining pivot reframed both his scholarship and his calling. Best known today for Changing Our Mind, Gushee reflects on how a series of transformative encounters with LGBTQ people he loved and served compelled him to rethink long-held interpretations of Scripture without abandoning his faith.
Drawing on Gushee’s theological journey and Jeff’s lived experience as the parent of an LGBTQ+ child, this episode reframes deconstruction not as demolition, but as careful, faithful reconstruction. Together, they explore the idea of “load-bearing beliefs,” why so many parents and pastors feel frozen rather than resistant, and how love often demands a rebuild of what once felt foundational.
This is a conversation about loyalty, empathy, silence, and the courage to change our mind when love leads the rebuild.
For parents, pastors, and anyone navigating the tension between deeply held beliefs and lived reality, this episode offers clarity, language, and permission to move forward without tearing everything down.
In this foundational conversation, Jeff Click sits down with Christian ethicist David P. Gushee, whose early work helped shape modern evangelical ethics before a career-defining pivot reframed both his scholarship and his calling. Best known today for Changing Our Mind, Gushee reflects on how a series of transformative encounters with LGBTQ people he loved and served compelled him to rethink long-held interpretations of Scripture without abandoning his faith.
Drawing on Gushee’s theological journey and Jeff’s lived experience as the parent of an LGBTQ+ child, this episode reframes deconstruction not as demolition, but as careful, faithful reconstruction. Together, they explore the idea of “load-bearing beliefs,” why so many parents and pastors feel frozen rather than resistant, and how love often demands a rebuild of what once felt foundational.
This is a conversation about loyalty, empathy, silence, and the courage to change our mind when love leads the rebuild.
For parents, pastors, and anyone navigating the tension between deeply held beliefs and lived reality, this episode offers clarity, language, and permission to move forward without tearing everything down.
Guest: Dr. David P. Gushee | Ethicist, Pastor, Advocate, & Author of Changing Our Mind
What happens when the beliefs that once held everything together can no longer carry the weight of real life?
In this foundational conversation, Jeff Click sits down with Christian ethicist David P. Gushee, whose early work helped shape modern evangelical ethics before a career-defining pivot reframed both his scholarship and his calling. Best known today for Changing Our Mind, Gushee reflects on how a series of transformative encounters with LGBTQ people he loved and served compelled him to rethink long-held interpretations of Scripture without abandoning his faith.
Drawing on Gushee’s theological journey and Jeff’s lived experience as the parent of an LGBTQ+ child, this episode reframes deconstruction not as demolition, but as careful, faithful reconstruction. Together, they explore the idea of “load-bearing beliefs,” why so many parents and pastors feel frozen rather than resistant, and how love often demands a rebuild of what once felt foundational.
This is a conversation about loyalty, empathy, silence, and the courage to change our mind when love leads the rebuild.
For parents, pastors, and anyone navigating the tension between deeply held beliefs and lived reality, this episode offers clarity, language, and permission to move forward without tearing everything down.
In this foundational conversation, Jeff Click sits down with Christian ethicist David P. Gushee, whose early work helped shape modern evangelical ethics before a career-defining pivot reframed both his scholarship and his calling. Best known today for Changing Our Mind, Gushee reflects on how a series of transformative encounters with LGBTQ people he loved and served compelled him to rethink long-held interpretations of Scripture without abandoning his faith.
Drawing on Gushee’s theological journey and Jeff’s lived experience as the parent of an LGBTQ+ child, this episode reframes deconstruction not as demolition, but as careful, faithful reconstruction. Together, they explore the idea of “load-bearing beliefs,” why so many parents and pastors feel frozen rather than resistant, and how love often demands a rebuild of what once felt foundational.
This is a conversation about loyalty, empathy, silence, and the courage to change our mind when love leads the rebuild.
For parents, pastors, and anyone navigating the tension between deeply held beliefs and lived reality, this episode offers clarity, language, and permission to move forward without tearing everything down.
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| Part 2 | The Redemption: From Heartbreak to a Global Embrace
Guest: Sara Cunningham | Affirming Mother & Founder, Free Mom Hugs
Before Free Mom Hugs became a global embrace, it was one mother standing in the heat of an Oklahoma Pride parade with a handmade button and a heart full of questions. In this second half of their two-part conversation, Sara Cunningham returns to the moment curiosity became courage. It is the chapter where love stops lingering in fear and finally steps into the open.
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| Part 1 | The Reckoning: When Fear Delays Love
Guest: Sara Cunningham | Affirming Mother & Founder, Free Mom Hugs
Before Free Mom Hugs became a global movement, it was just one mom in Oklahoma, holding a secret she didn’t know how to carry. In this first half of a two-part conversation, Sara Cunningham—founder, author, and affirming mother—opens the door to her earliest struggle: the years she resisted her son’s truth, clinging to a faith that taught her love had limits.
Together, Sara and Jeff look back on the collision between belief and belonging—the nights of prayer, the silence that stretched for years, and the moment a mother realized that “doing the right thing” had cost her time she could never get back.
This is the part of the story where fear delays love. Where theology feels like armor but becomes a cage. Where a mother’s tears mark the beginning of her unlearning.
Part 2, The Redemption, will reveal what happened next—how heartbreak became hope, and how one handmade button sparked a movement that now spans the globe. But first, Part 1 takes us to the moment before the hug, when love was still finding its way out of the closet.
Together, Sara and Jeff look back on the collision between belief and belonging—the nights of prayer, the silence that stretched for years, and the moment a mother realized that “doing the right thing” had cost her time she could never get back.
This is the part of the story where fear delays love. Where theology feels like armor but becomes a cage. Where a mother’s tears mark the beginning of her unlearning.
Part 2, The Redemption, will reveal what happened next—how heartbreak became hope, and how one handmade button sparked a movement that now spans the globe. But first, Part 1 takes us to the moment before the hug, when love was still finding its way out of the closet.
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| The Signal Is The Love
Guest: Peter Fulmer | Advocate & Affirming Father of 2 LGBTQ+ Kids
Love Without Asterisks is a podcast about what happens when the blueprint you’ve built your life around no longer fits the people you love most. If you have an LGBTQ+ someone in your life, this is for you. In Episode 1, Jeff welcomes longtime friend Peter Fulmer—dad to two LGBTQ kids—to show how presence, not perfection, becomes the clearest signal of love.
Jeff, in his intro, lays the foundation for what’s ahead by naming the gap between a worldview shaped by tradition and the lived reality of parenting an LGBTQ+ child. He and Peter trace how moving from fixing to listening became the turning point, and why the clearest signal amid all the cultural and religious noise is always love.
Jeff, in his intro, lays the foundation for what’s ahead by naming the gap between a worldview shaped by tradition and the lived reality of parenting an LGBTQ+ child. He and Peter trace how moving from fixing to listening became the turning point, and why the clearest signal amid all the cultural and religious noise is always love.
This is the official trailer for LOVE* (Love Without Asterisks)—a podcast for parents, friends, and loved ones learning what it truly means to love when someone you care about comes out as LGBTQ+.
Hosted by Jeff Click, Love Without Asterisks explores the emotional, relational, and spiritual renovation that happens when unconditional love collides with a worldview shaped by tradition...one influenced by faith communities, family expectations, and cultural norms that often leave people unsure of how to respond.
It’s not a Christian podcast. It’s not a woke podcast. It’s not left, and it’s not right. Love Without Asterisks serves no agenda but the one that matters most: helping you love your LGBTQ+ someone without conditions or fine print.
Hosted by Jeff Click, Love Without Asterisks explores the emotional, relational, and spiritual renovation that happens when unconditional love collides with a worldview shaped by tradition...one influenced by faith communities, family expectations, and cultural norms that often leave people unsure of how to respond.
It’s not a Christian podcast. It’s not a woke podcast. It’s not left, and it’s not right. Love Without Asterisks serves no agenda but the one that matters most: helping you love your LGBTQ+ someone without conditions or fine print.